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Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:26 pm
by Nightspore
Google have recently announced that they will be phasing out the webRequest API and replacing it with declarativeNetRequest API on the Chromium browser. Their excuse is that it was intended to help improve the end user browsing experience.

Chromium is the open source browser on which Google Chrome is based on. It utilises the Blink rendering engine which itself is a fork of the WebKit engine used in browsers like Safari, Epiphany, Gnome Web, Maxthon, Konqueror and the like. WebKit is popular with Unix based operating systems such as FreeBSD, macOS and Linux.

Google Chrome and Chromium form the base for many popular browsers such as Vivaldi, Opera, Brave, Yandex and Comodo Dragon.

The upshot of the API (application programming interface ) change is that it will basically render most adblockers and security extensions such as Ghostery useless.

So the 'Big G' basically wants to take the choice away from Chrome users on whether they can use an adblocker or not.

Fortunately this won't affect browsers not using the Blink engine. Some browser distributions, such as Opera, also won't be affected as although it uses Blink Opera has its own internal adblocker.

Google have tried to maintain that they are only doing this to help the end user. Pull the other one Google, it has bells on it!

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Hey Google ... this is me NOT using Chrome!

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Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:39 pm
by Nightspore

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:12 am
by Nightspore
And this is me not using Chrome on a Chromebook!

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Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:42 am
by tich
I've gone back to using Firefox as Chrome was messing me around, I still use it now & again if I go on any foreign sites as it will translate the page whereas Firefox doesn't have that option.
Other than that I've been using adblockers for years now & facebook I use FBpurity as that was just getting out of hand with more & more junk they'd squeeze onto their pages.

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:31 pm
by Nightspore
tich wrote:I've gone back to using Firefox as Chrome was messing me around, I still use it now & again if I go on any foreign sites as it will translate the page whereas Firefox doesn't have that option.
Other than that I've been using adblockers for years now & facebook I use FBpurity as that was just getting out of hand with more & more junk they'd squeeze onto their pages.


There might be an add-on or extension of Google Translate for Firefox. Firefox is the default browser on my laptop which runs Ubuntu. It is packaged with the OS and coded for Ubuntu. I ran Chromium as a back up for a long time but there was always a problem with the pepper flash plug-in. I've also ran Vivaldi on Ubuntu. I eventually decided on Chrome as a back-up as I could sync it across multiple devices. I'm giving Opera a trial at the moment, primarily as I can get it out of the Ubuntu repo. Opera has a native inbuilt adblocker with the ability to add custom filter lists.

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It won't be affected by the API change and has its own extensions, there's a good chance it has Google Translate as an add-on. I'll have to check.

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:49 pm
by tich
I know Firefox used to have Google translate as an addon so it would translate a page, but they took it off in the end I guess so more folk started to use chrome, I haven't looked to see if there's another addon I can use so I'll have to check.

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:29 pm
by Nightspore
tich wrote:I know Firefox used to have Google translate as an addon so it would translate a page, but they took it off in the end I guess so more folk started to use chrome, I haven't looked to see if there's another addon I can use so I'll have to check.


A while back Mozilla decided to implement the Chrome-like WebExtensions APIs to replace the old Firefox XPCOM/XUL APIs. This was widely predicted as one of the signs of the apocalypse or the twilight of the gods or something. :rofl:

But in the end nothing really changed and it probably even made porting Chrome extensions to Firefox easier. So Firefox Google Translate may work like it did in Chrome now.

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:07 am
by Nightspore
Googleballs ... :gaga:

https://gizmodo.com/google-no-of-course ... 1835495590

“There’s been a lot of confusion and misconception around both the motivations and implications of this change, including speculation that these changes were designed to prevent or weaken ad blockers,” Google writes in a separate blog detailing the differences between the two APIs. “This is absolutely not the goal. In fact, this change is meant to give developers a way to create safer and more performant ad blockers.” op cit

:shock:

At least on the surface, this looks like a good thing. But there are a few niggling details that call that into question. Back in January, the Register reported that Adblock Plus and similar plugins relying on basic filtering would still be able to function, while more sophisticated ones like uBlock Origin and uMatrix would be completely borked. The site also noted that well, Google had conveniently paid Adblock Plus to let their own ads pass unblocked in the software. In a statement, Ghostery, another popular adblocker, pointed out the Declarative Net Request API was limited, and that it wouldn’t be possible to “modify or kill potentially dangerous or privacy-invading requests.” op cit

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:16 pm
by locky5491
I have not used google for about a year because I switched to DuckDuckGo and have not missed google at all.
There is a much better private policy with DuckDuckGo.

Re: Google's Great Chrome Gamble

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:01 pm
by Nightspore
locky5491 wrote:I have not used google for about a year because I switched to DuckDuckGo and have not missed google at all.
There is a much better private policy with DuckDuckGo.


DDG is one of the engines you can have as default on Opera and Safari.

https://www.startpage.com

And don't forget Start Page!